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	<link>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way</link>
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		<title>by: dvsf</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-303572</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>this made me LOL.

guess they've never heard of Django.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this made me LOL.</p>
<p>guess they&#8217;ve never heard of Django.
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		<title>by: .NET @ Kape Ni LaTtEX &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OSS zealotry and raining on a .NET parade</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-294456</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-294456</guid>
					<description>[...] A month ago I saw a link on twitter where a startup described how they successfully used Visual Studio and ASP.NET out-of-the-box (e.g., Web Forms) to successfully create a web application that earns money. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] A month ago I saw a link on twitter where a startup described how they successfully used Visual Studio and ASP.NET out-of-the-box (e.g., Web Forms) to successfully create a web application that earns money. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Steven Black</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-288167</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-288167</guid>
					<description>A cursory look at the home page source shows considerable bloat, no?

How many ScriptResource calls does one form with one input field and one submit button require?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A cursory look at the home page source shows considerable bloat, no?</p>
<p>How many ScriptResource calls does one form with one input field and one submit button require?
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		<title>by: Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-286416</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 19:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-286416</guid>
					<description>It's great to see startups beginning to embracing .NET.

I'm not surprised to read the skepticism in these comments because we had a huge internal debate as well.

But in the end, we choose what worked best for us and couldn't be happier.

Also, for those interested in starting with .NET, check out the &quot;Microsoft Empower for ISVs&quot; program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great to see startups beginning to embracing .NET.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised to read the skepticism in these comments because we had a huge internal debate as well.</p>
<p>But in the end, we choose what worked best for us and couldn&#8217;t be happier.</p>
<p>Also, for those interested in starting with .NET, check out the &#8220;Microsoft Empower for ISVs&#8221; program.
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		<title>by: David Abrahams</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-285858</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 23:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-285858</guid>
					<description>I found your article to be very inspiring and informative. Its not often you get to see the world from a different perspective. the fact that you guys had experience with open source environments and decided to give asp.net a go and share that experience is very helpful. The Microsoft bashing that goes on in the comments is totally irrelevant you guys didn't say asp.net is the best or the only option. All you did was say here's a viable alternative and there's no doubt that it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found your article to be very inspiring and informative. Its not often you get to see the world from a different perspective. the fact that you guys had experience with open source environments and decided to give asp.net a go and share that experience is very helpful. The Microsoft bashing that goes on in the comments is totally irrelevant you guys didn&#8217;t say asp.net is the best or the only option. All you did was say here&#8217;s a viable alternative and there&#8217;s no doubt that it is.
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		<title>by: Building a web app the Microsoft way &#171; David Abrahams</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-285847</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 22:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-285847</guid>
					<description>[...] http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] <a href='http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way' rel='nofollow'>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way</a> [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Construyendo una Web app &#34;The Microsoft Way&#34; &#171; Blog de Carlos Lone</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-285721</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-285721</guid>
					<description>[...] Construyendo una Web app &amp;#34;The Microsoft&amp;#160;Way&amp;#34;     Leyendo hoy el Twitter de Scott Hanselman me topo con una historia muy interesante, se trata de un caso de estudio que inclusive fue publicado por microsoft y utilizado para el Heroes Happen Here Launch. La compa&amp;#241;&amp;#237;a howard/baines decidieron apostar a desarrollar un producto piloto haciendo uso de las &amp;#250;ltimas tecnolog&amp;#237;as de microsoft y el resultado es este: http://www.meetwithapproval.com/ , para ellos fue una experiencia muy satisfactoria. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Construyendo una Web app &quot;The Microsoft&nbsp;Way&quot;     Leyendo hoy el Twitter de Scott Hanselman me topo con una historia muy interesante, se trata de un caso de estudio que inclusive fue publicado por microsoft y utilizado para el Heroes Happen Here Launch. La compa&#241;&#237;a howard/baines decidieron apostar a desarrollar un producto piloto haciendo uso de las &#250;ltimas tecnolog&#237;as de microsoft y el resultado es este: <a href='http://www.meetwithapproval.com/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.meetwithapproval.com/</a> , para ellos fue una experiencia muy satisfactoria. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Construyendo una Web app &#34;The Microsoft Way&#34; - DotNetMania@GT</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-285720</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-285720</guid>
					<description>[...] Leyendo hoy el Twitter de Scott Hanselman me topo con una historia muy interesante, se trata de un caso de estudio que inclusive fue publicado por microsoft y utilizado para el Heroes Happen Here Launch. La compa&amp;#241;&amp;#237;a howard/baines decidieron apostar a desarrollar un producto piloto haciendo uso de las &amp;#250;ltimas tecnolog&amp;#237;as de microsoft y el resultado es este: http://www.meetwithapproval.com/ , para ellos fue una experiencia muy satisfactoria. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Leyendo hoy el Twitter de Scott Hanselman me topo con una historia muy interesante, se trata de un caso de estudio que inclusive fue publicado por microsoft y utilizado para el Heroes Happen Here Launch. La compa&#241;&#237;a howard/baines decidieron apostar a desarrollar un producto piloto haciendo uso de las &#250;ltimas tecnolog&#237;as de microsoft y el resultado es este: <a href='http://www.meetwithapproval.com/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.meetwithapproval.com/</a> , para ellos fue una experiencia muy satisfactoria. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-285303</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 01:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-285303</guid>
					<description>OMG here's a LOT of prejudice...
ASP.NET is a Framework and ASP.NET can in the right hands be a nuclear reactor of power, in the wrong hands it can be a runaway nuclear missile. Crappy developers delivering crappy code exists in ANY Framework just like great code exists in most Frameworks...
I am going to sum up the wrongs in some of the comments here just for reference for those researching ASP.NET and considering it for their next project;
* You can *EASILY* create XHTML standard compliant code in ASP.NET
* You can have &quot;default buttons&quot; triggered by Enter in ASP.NET forms (EASILY)
* ASP.NET scales GREAT unless the solution you're running is delivered by a newbie or moron.
* You can purely use Open Source (and free software) running and developing ASP.NET applications. You can run .Net on Apache, Linux, Mac OS X or Windows thanx to Mono. You can even develop ASP.NET apps without using anything else than purely Open Source and FREE software. Mono Develop runs perfectly on Linux and Mac for those in that camp. In fact you can even run ASP.NET apps on JBoss or Tomcat if you want to by using GrassHopper.
* You don't have to use DataSets to use ASP.NET (in fact you SHOULDN'T use DataSets but rather a great ORM library like ActiveRecord or something)
I bet there are some more idiotic comments I've missed here too, but I think I got the most important ones...

ASP.NET is a great platform for web development and all though it's true that there are some features that MSFT probably never should have implemented (like ADO for instance) also they're not as strict towards LSP (none of the &quot;anti .Net guys&quot; would even know what that word means, beside if you want &quot;TRUE&quot; LSP it's mostly impossible (or very hard) to implement without Multiple Inheritance anyway which NONE of the &quot;competitors&quot; to ASP.NET have) as I would hope but it is still one of the best platform I have ever used in my entire career. I started developing when I was 8 which now is 26 years ago, and I probably know more than 50 different programming languages if I care to count them. The last 26 years I've been spending about 60% of my time awake doing development in everything from Java Applets, C++, JavaScript, Pascal, Perl, PHP and virtually 90% of the &quot;living&quot; programming languages on the face of the earth. And I won't say that ASP.NET is &quot;the best&quot; or anything like that since it really depends upon the task you're trying to solve. But most of the &quot;anti comments&quot; here about ASP.NET are just pure FUD...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG here&#8217;s a LOT of prejudice&#8230;<br />
ASP.NET is a Framework and ASP.NET can in the right hands be a nuclear reactor of power, in the wrong hands it can be a runaway nuclear missile. Crappy developers delivering crappy code exists in ANY Framework just like great code exists in most Frameworks&#8230;<br />
I am going to sum up the wrongs in some of the comments here just for reference for those researching ASP.NET and considering it for their next project;<br />
* You can *EASILY* create XHTML standard compliant code in ASP.NET<br />
* You can have &#8220;default buttons&#8221; triggered by Enter in ASP.NET forms (EASILY)<br />
* ASP.NET scales GREAT unless the solution you&#8217;re running is delivered by a newbie or moron.<br />
* You can purely use Open Source (and free software) running and developing ASP.NET applications. You can run .Net on Apache, Linux, Mac OS X or Windows thanx to Mono. You can even develop ASP.NET apps without using anything else than purely Open Source and FREE software. Mono Develop runs perfectly on Linux and Mac for those in that camp. In fact you can even run ASP.NET apps on JBoss or Tomcat if you want to by using GrassHopper.<br />
* You don&#8217;t have to use DataSets to use ASP.NET (in fact you SHOULDN&#8217;T use DataSets but rather a great ORM library like ActiveRecord or something)<br />
I bet there are some more idiotic comments I&#8217;ve missed here too, but I think I got the most important ones&#8230;</p>
<p>ASP.NET is a great platform for web development and all though it&#8217;s true that there are some features that MSFT probably never should have implemented (like ADO for instance) also they&#8217;re not as strict towards LSP (none of the &#8220;anti .Net guys&#8221; would even know what that word means, beside if you want &#8220;TRUE&#8221; LSP it&#8217;s mostly impossible (or very hard) to implement without Multiple Inheritance anyway which NONE of the &#8220;competitors&#8221; to ASP.NET have) as I would hope but it is still one of the best platform I have ever used in my entire career. I started developing when I was 8 which now is 26 years ago, and I probably know more than 50 different programming languages if I care to count them. The last 26 years I&#8217;ve been spending about 60% of my time awake doing development in everything from Java Applets, C++, JavaScript, Pascal, Perl, PHP and virtually 90% of the &#8220;living&#8221; programming languages on the face of the earth. And I won&#8217;t say that ASP.NET is &#8220;the best&#8221; or anything like that since it really depends upon the task you&#8217;re trying to solve. But most of the &#8220;anti comments&#8221; here about ASP.NET are just pure FUD&#8230;!
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		<title>by: Adam Kahtava</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/dotnet/building-a-web-app-the-microsoft-way#comment-284993</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 13:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Here's a similar post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dimebrain.com/2008/04/five-recommenda.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Five recommendations for starting a startup with ASP.NET&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a similar post: <a href="http://www.dimebrain.com/2008/04/five-recommenda.html" rel="nofollow">Five recommendations for starting a startup with ASP.NET</a>
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