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35 Responses to “Cut Your Coding Time”

1. Stephen Rylander says (on May 1st, 2006 at 2:06 pm )

   This is all good advice. I’m still a little confused though why these types of discussions now, often around Ruby on Rails, is thought to be new. And I don’t mean offence by this, but this is all pretty standard operating procedure within the software development world. Working with entity objects, in C++, C# or Java all builds upon these kinds of principles, even an MVC framework takes these things into consideration early on.
   For the curious, check out http://www.dofactory.com/Patterns/Patterns.aspx for more info on object design patterns.
   A good thing that is coming out of these talks and writings is getting people thinking more OO and less top down which is overwhelmingly dominant in the PHP world.

2. Dimitri Glazkov says (on May 1st, 2006 at 3:37 pm )

   Nice little talk. One thing — somebody slap the guy who does the intro back into normalcy. Or do you talk like this in real life?

3. Dimitri Glazkov says (on May 1st, 2006 at 3:53 pm )

   @Stephen:

   The difference between architectural patterns and what RoR is doing is in that convention carries meaning beyond good coding practices. As DHH explains, convention is relied upon by framework itself to infer names and behavior — unlike your typical C++/C#/Java conventions that are only useful for readability of code.

4. Stephen Rylander says (on May 1st, 2006 at 9:02 pm )

   Point taken. And maybe David could expand upon it more, because the examples were pretty simplistic. Like I said, basic entity objects which are not new, nor is the way of naming them. Things are different when you are working with abstract terms and sets up objects that don’t always have direct mappings. That is why we have patterns, to provide solutions to solved problems that are complicated. If everything was as simple as this it wouldn’t be a problem.

5. David Heinemeier Hansson says (on May 1st, 2006 at 9:06 pm )

   Who said any of this was new? What Rails does is simply to rely on and promote good practices that has existed for a long time. So the practices themselves are not new, but our way of rewarding consistent use is at least more than most comparable web frameworks out there (following conventions means you don’t have to configure anything, using generators means that you automatically get test stubs, so on and so forth).

6. KonstKolomeetz says (on May 2nd, 2006 at 4:21 am )

   David, can you post that pieces of code, that you’re talking about in this clip?

7. Stephen Rylander says (on May 2nd, 2006 at 3:10 pm )

   That sounds valid. I agree that the discussed code would be good to see. I still stand by my statement that this is new to the PHP world which will be good for them.

8. Chris says (on May 9th, 2006 at 5:25 pm )

   Transcript?

9. Aaron says (on May 10th, 2006 at 4:08 pm )

   Stephen, Not all php coders or even ruby coders are coming from a c++/C# background.. some of them come to it from the other end and these high level languages are their first languages. Not a preferable situation.. but it’s the way things get done. Background and review to you is mindblowing CS100 to them.. ; )

   It doesn’t hurt you, and it benefits them.

10. Sebastian Gräßl says (on May 19th, 2006 at 9:06 am )

    David, my opinion on web frameworks or frameworks in general is that the shouldn’t limit you to one way or only a few ways of doing something in the framework.
    Most of the frameworks are really frameworks, you can’t easily go out of the famrework.
    So, the title framework isn’t really matching for Rails. In Rails i don’t feel this “framework” feeling it’s more like a “foundation” feeling, because i don’t feel limited!
    Beatiful code means to me that i’m fully able to design it, like oh i wan’t this “if statment” in one line, and ruby allows us to do so.

    And that makes me happy and i really enjoy the hours afterwork doing programming on rails projects.

11. Alicia says (on June 4th, 2006 at 3:21 am )

    Yes, transcript please? I’m deaf so the information is currently inaccessible to me but I’m very interested.

12. Stephen Rylander says (on June 21st, 2006 at 8:55 pm )

    Comparing the power of the Rails ORM to Hibernate. If your project is bigger than five tables, give this a read.
    http://www.theserverside.com/tt/articles/article.tss?l=RailsHibernate

13. jack says (on June 22nd, 2006 at 10:48 pm )

    I’m pretty sure basecamp probably has more than 5 tables…

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15. Thomas says (on March 23rd, 2007 at 2:09 pm )

    I am a fan RoR and am actively integrating it into my current work. However, one thing that I absolutely hate is their damn buzz engine. It doesn’t convey enough of the negatives or prepare you for the hurdles of becoming a RoR developer and the REAL hurdles of creating a production environment for your clients.

    And again, I think someone has said this already. None of what they do is new except they have created an excellent package that forces you to use the most proper form of code organization.

    Bottom line the zealots are annoying.

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    Yes, transcript please? I’m deaf so the information is currently inaccessible to me but I’m very interested.

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    I don’t know what to say about ruby on rails, the development is FAST, nevertheless the syntax is awful, i prefer an PHP framework such as CAKE PHP or CODE IGNITER instead.

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34. deltawing says (on June 21st, 2008 at 10:16 pm )

    “A good thing that is coming out of these talks and writings is getting people thinking more OO and less top down which is overwhelmingly dominant in the PHP world.”

    Well, I come from a very strong object-oriented background (Java and C++), but I also program in PHP.

    I agree that the majority PHP coders tend to make spaghetti code, but there are many who push for good, clean OO code, often with an MVC framework such as Symfony or CakePHP.

    PHP isn’t the problem, it’s undisciplined coding that’s the problem.

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